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钟建英's avatar

There are “liberal dissidents” everywhere, including in my own country. (I used to be one myself.) But two issues with being a “liberal dissident”: (1) first, the liberal dissident is focussed on a narrow set of “political liberties” and basically ignores all other aspects of human freedoms including freedom from poverty, illiteracy, poor health and gender/social inequalities. It’s indefensible to prioritise such a narrow set of priorities; liberties are important for sure, but they are not all that matters.

(2) second, the “dissident liberal” tends to be a cosmopolitan. He/she has no local loyalties. Many dissidents (think of the Iranian dissidents in the US) even go to the extent of calling for the destruction of their societies. Without local loyalties, it is almost impossible to engage in collective action and social choice. Everything is ultimately individual choice and individual goals. That is a very narrow understanding of what matters. There is no issue with having individual goals, but they are not all that matter. Wr also care about equality, fairness and extinguishing poverty in our societies.

I have ceased being a “liberal dissident” long ago. In fact, I think many “liberal dissidents” turn out to be tools manipulated by especially illiberal and despotic regimes (like the CIA).

dolores ibarruri's avatar

I'm on the same page as you w/r/t the mixed feelings of sympathy for Chinese dissidents (it's a normal and good thing to be frustrated with your country and to want it to be better) with confusion at people whose seeming reaction to improving infrastructure, technology and general standards of living in their country is seething rage.

If I had to try and understand where they're coming from, I'd say that our beliefs and responses to events are not only a function of the facts themselves, but the salience we assign them through our mental model of how the world works, which largely reflects our values and is influenced by culture, formative experiences etc.

So for these dissidents, I would assume that in their mental model (based on our early experiences and generational influences that make them strongly supportive of Anglo American liberal values), the most salient data point in whether one's country is or isn't successful is how closely it matches ideals of individual liberty inspired by classical liberalism. To give them their due credit, it's largely true that China has not advanced much in matching this ideal in recent years, and in fact has retreated in some areas, largely because the Chinese government isn't particularly committed to this ideal, and also because the cultural values of the broader Chinese population (as reflected in data such as the World Values Survey) tend to prioritise other factors such as security over individual liberty.

From this pespective, what's happening when these dissidents' say "meh" to high speed rail, robots, poverty alleviation etc. is that their mental models' don't rank this evidence as being as much of a sign of success as say, someone who prioritises economic growth and security over civil liberties.

That's my best guess anyway. I would also say that those who are able to change their beliefs likely do so because in their unspoken mental models, development and economic wellbeing rank as a more important value than those who remain committed to their dissident status.

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